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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Sia Lang)

Fri, 2014-08-22 17:45
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Alexander von Gluck IV kallisti5@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: Food for thought, I don't think the linux kernel will build under gcc2 :-) Which is irrelevant. Do drive that point home, I'm currently building BeLinux on clang (it requires a patched kernel, but of course gcc can be used if you're so inclined) Does this preclude R1 userland binary compat? ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Ingo Weinhold)

Fri, 2014-08-22 15:45
On 21.08.2014 15:38, Alexander von Gluck IV wrote: On , Stephan Aßmus wrote: Maybe you are missing the point. The talk is about encouraging a *parallel* project that is likely going to take years to become usable. And the question is whether we want to shut any doors towards the idea of Haiku ever switching to the Linux kernel. We are not talking about dropping what we do right now and focussing all efforts ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (pulkomandy)

Fri, 2014-08-22 15:45
Not sure if we want to encourage such a thing... our developer pool is small enough as it is lately. Definitely for others working on something Linux based in a friendly compitition though. Food for thought, I don't think the linux kernel will build under gcc2 :-) And that's why no one suggested we swith NOW for R1. As R2 will drop binary compat, it might be a good time to do the switch, after R1 is released. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Alexander von Gluck IV)

Fri, 2014-08-22 15:45
On , Stephan Aßmus wrote: Am 21.08.2014 um 15:15 schrieb Alexander von Gluck IV kallisti5@xxxxxxxxxxx: On , Ingo Weinhold wrote: On 20.08.2014 18:26, Sia Lang wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Ryan Leavengood leavengood@xxxxxxxxx ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Stephan Aßmus)

Fri, 2014-08-22 15:45
Am 21.08.2014 um 15:15 schrieb Alexander von Gluck IV kallisti5@xxxxxxxxxxx: On , Ingo Weinhold wrote: On 20.08.2014 18:26, Sia Lang wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Ryan Leavengood leavengood@xxxxxxxxx wrote: It is a lot to ask the Haiku community to abandon our current approach for what sounds like a prototype. Totally agree, I'm not asking anyone to jump ship and join me. I am however asking the Haiku community to consider if the kernel choice ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Stephan Aßmus)

Fri, 2014-08-22 15:45
Am 21.08.2014 um 14:50 schrieb Ingo Weinhold ingo_weinhold@xxxxxx: On 21.08.2014 14:32, Sia Lang wrote: On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Paweł Dziepak pdziepak@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: Besides, it is not really important whether that decision was right or wrong, is it? If the decision turned out to be wrong (if we want the project to ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Alexander von Gluck IV)

Fri, 2014-08-22 15:45
On , Ingo Weinhold wrote: On 20.08.2014 18:26, Sia Lang wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Ryan Leavengood leavengood@xxxxxxxxx wrote: It is a lot to ask the Haiku community to abandon our current approach ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Ingo Weinhold)

Fri, 2014-08-22 15:45
On 21.08.2014 14:32, Sia Lang wrote: On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Paweł Dziepak pdziepak@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: Besides, it is not really important whether that decision was right or wrong, is it? If the decision turned out to be wrong (if we want the project to survive, as you say), then it's pretty darn important to point that out ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Sia Lang)

Fri, 2014-08-22 15:45
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Paweł Dziepak pdziepak@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: Besides, it is not really important whether that decision was right or wrong, is it? If the decision turned out to be wrong (if we want the project to survive, as you say), then it's pretty darn important to point that out and maybe inflict some change, no? ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Paweł Dziepak)

Fri, 2014-08-22 15:45
2014-08-20 18:26 GMT+02:00 Sia Lang silverlanguage@xxxxxxxxx: On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Ryan Leavengood leavengood@xxxxxxxxx wrote: It is a lot to ask the Haiku community to abandon our current approach for what sounds like a prototype. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Sia Lang)

Fri, 2014-08-22 15:45
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Ithamar R. Adema ithamar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: (For a historical reference, there was another attempt long ago called Cosmoe, which got to a much further point then Blue(Eyed)OS, and was indeed reusing most of the Haiku code for user land in the process). Yeah, I worked a bit on the 0.8-something dev branch for fun back in the ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Ingo Weinhold)

Fri, 2014-08-22 13:45
On 20.08.2014 18:26, Sia Lang wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Ryan Leavengood leavengood@xxxxxxxxx wrote: It is a lot to ask the Haiku community to abandon our current approach for what sounds like a prototype. Totally agree, I'm not asking anyone to jump ship and join me. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Ithamar R. Adema)

Fri, 2014-08-22 13:45
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:18 PM, Fredrik Holmqvist fredrik.holmqvist@xxxxxxxxx wrote: At this point is probably much faster to just help fix things in Haiku than starting from scratch no matter what kernel you pick :) Well, user land can probably stay mostly Haiku code, kernel would be different, and some low-level glue to make the two dig each other.... I can see how it could work, at least up to some point. Although yes there is ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Fredrik Holmqvist)

Fri, 2014-08-22 13:45
2014-08-20 18:26 GMT+02:00 Sia Lang silverlanguage@xxxxxxxxx: I am however asking the Haiku community to consider if the kernel choice made 14 years ago still makes sense. It's painful to leave a huge amount of work behind in the dust, but there's still so much Haiku work that would have a great life on top of a Linux or BSD based BeOS. With all the up-sides mentioned before (busses and drivers abound!) At this point is probably much faster to just help fix things in Haiku than starting from scratch no matter what kernel you pick :) ...
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[haiku-development] Re: My take on the (kernel) discussion (Donn Cave)

Fri, 2014-08-22 13:45
... Maybe Haiku could do like what the GNU project does, they have their own kernel (GNU/Hurd) but since it is still in heavy, heavy development they use the Linux kernel. I hope this reference to the GNU Hurd project's 24 year march to oblivion made the Haiku developers smile! It isn't the destination, it's the journey! Donn ...
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[haiku-development] My take on the (kernel) discussion (Joshua E . Horn)

Fri, 2014-08-22 13:45
Hey everyone, I've been monitoring the talk on Haiku and it's kernel / using the Linux kernel. I think (myself) that Haiku is going in the right direction and should continue to develop it's own kernel. Maybe however, using the Linux kernel is not a bad idea either, since it is well matured and ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Sia Lang)

Fri, 2014-08-22 13:45
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Ryan Leavengood leavengood@xxxxxxxxx wrote: It is a lot to ask the Haiku community to abandon our current approach for what sounds like a prototype. Totally agree, I'm not asking anyone to jump ship and join me. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Ryan Leavengood)

Fri, 2014-08-22 13:45
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Sia Lang silverlanguage@xxxxxxxxx wrote: The response to my original post was basically that another 1.5-2 years will pass before R1, at which point we'll still not have basic things like usb3, nor enough drivers for gpu's, wifi, ... whatnot. And by that time, even more esoteric hardware will have appeared. I think everyone involved in Haiku is equally frustrated by the slow progress. Unfortunately it is hard to fix and is somewhat of a chicken and egg problem in that we need more developers to get Haiku in a ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Sia Lang)

Fri, 2014-08-22 13:45
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Ari Haviv arielbhaviv@xxxxxxxxx wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Sia Lang silverlanguage@xxxxxxxxx wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Augustin Cavalier waddlesplash@xxxxxxxxx wrote: [...] And so we won't be totally obsolete. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Ari Haviv)

Fri, 2014-08-22 13:45
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Sia Lang silverlanguage@xxxxxxxxx wrote: On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Augustin Cavalier waddlesplash@xxxxxxxxx wrote: [...] And so we won't be totally obsolete. Fair points, but only if you get something out the door. Being almost ready for a decade doesn't bode well. ...
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