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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Sia Lang)

Mon, 2014-08-25 05:45
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Axel Dörfler axeld@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: BTW, if you want an example, please have a look at the Intel AGP bus driver to see how complex you can solve simple things to the point that it's very hard to understand what's going on. You have to do better than pick a single driver (that particular one is mostly just pci register read/writes anyway). ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Please fix VESA screen resizing (Stephen Hite)

Mon, 2014-08-25 01:45
Whew, the problem is only on a new install. After the first restart after install, when you go to Preferences-Screen and try to change to another fixed resolution, you get this: If you powerdown, start again, then the resizing works. That's why no one else ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Axel Dörfler)

Mon, 2014-08-25 01:45
On 22.08.2014 16:50, Sia Lang wrote: I think Axel's post, given his position and longevity in the project, neatly explains why Haiku isn't and never will be a released product. I realize that was not his intention, but it confirmed my fear that Haiku is driven by idealists who wants to build an OS from *ground up* more than getting it out in the hands of people. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Please fix VESA screen resizing (Urias McCullough)

Sun, 2014-08-24 21:45
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 8:27 AM, Stephen Hite steveh2009@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: hrev47407, the oldest nightly available on the website is broken and the latest is too, so it's probably safe to say they're all broken. The last Alpha released to the masses in the Fall of 2012 works like a champ. This is VirtualBox 4.3.12 r93733 and the same is true of 4.3.6 r91406. I don't think this one falls on VB's table. I can't do anything but test nightlies and the bisection point is before the currently available list. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Please fix VESA screen resizing (Cian Duffy)

Sun, 2014-08-24 19:45
On 22 August 2014 16:27, Stephen Hite steveh2009@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: hrev47407, the oldest nightly available on the website is broken and the latest is too, so it's probably safe to say they're all broken. The last Alpha released to the masses in the Fall of 2012 works like a champ. This is VirtualBox 4.3.12 r93733 and the same is true of 4.3.6 r91406. I don't think this one falls on VB's table. I can't do anything but test nightlies and the bisection point is before the currently available list. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Please fix VESA screen resizing (Stephen Hite)

Sun, 2014-08-24 19:45
hrev47407, the oldest nightly available on the website is broken and the latest is too, so it's probably safe to say they're all broken. The last Alpha released to the masses in the Fall of 2012 works like a champ. This is VirtualBox 4.3.12 r93733 and the same is true of 4.3.6 r91406. I don't think this one falls on VB's table. I can't do anything but test nightlies and the bisection point is before the currently available list. On Aug 22, 2014, at 9:55 AM, Axel Dörfler axeld@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Sia Lang)

Sun, 2014-08-24 17:45
I think Axel's post, given his position and longevity in the project, neatly explains why Haiku isn't and never will be a released product. I realize that was not his intention, but it confirmed my fear that Haiku is driven by idealists who wants to build an OS from *ground up* more than getting it out in the hands of people. The angling of lack of C++ in the Linux kernel (who cares, it's just a kernel on which we'll build a BeOS), combined with the silly claim that many Linux drivers are low quality, removes all hope of this project going in that direction. I think a review of some of the Haiku drivers is rather ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Please fix VESA screen resizing (Joe Prostko)

Sun, 2014-08-24 13:45
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Augustin Cavalier waddlesplash@xxxxxxxxx wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Joe Prostko joe.prostko@xxxxxxxxx wrote: Am I misunderstanding what you both mean by screen resizing? I'm pretty sure he means (and I meant) the resize-guest-OS-screen-when-you-resize-VirtualBox's-window feature. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Please fix VESA screen resizing (Augustin Cavalier)

Sun, 2014-08-24 13:45
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 10:26 AM, Joe Prostko joe.prostko@xxxxxxxxx wrote: Am I misunderstanding what you both mean by screen resizing? I'm pretty sure he means (and I meant) the resize-guest-OS-screen-when-you-resize-VirtualBox's-window feature. -Augustin ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Please fix VESA screen resizing (Alexander von Gluck IV)

Sun, 2014-08-24 11:45
On , Stephen Hite wrote: Whomever went into the screen resizing code and wound up 100% breaking the ability to resize a VESA screen in VirtualBox please not touch a further line of Haiku kernel code until you fix what has worked for over 10 years? I'm sure it won't take even a tenth of the total amount of brain power which has been spent entertaining Mr. Lang's dubious desires. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Please fix VESA screen resizing (Joe Prostko)

Sun, 2014-08-24 09:45
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Augustin Cavalier waddlesplash@xxxxxxxxx wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Stephen Hite steveh2009@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: Whomever went into the screen resizing code and wound up 100% breaking the ability to resize a VESA screen in VirtualBox please not touch a further line of Haiku kernel code until you fix what has worked for over 10 years? I've never had this work in the past year and a half that I've been using ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Please fix VESA screen resizing (Augustin Cavalier)

Sun, 2014-08-24 09:45
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Stephen Hite steveh2009@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: Whomever went into the screen resizing code and wound up 100% breaking the ability to resize a VESA screen in VirtualBox please not touch a further line of Haiku kernel code until you fix what has worked for over 10 years? I'm sure it won't take even a tenth of the total amount of brain power which has been spent entertaining Mr. Lang's dubious desires. The citizens of Userland would be forever grateful. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Axel Dörfler)

Sun, 2014-08-24 09:45
On 22.08.2014 14:19, Fredrik Holmqvist wrote: 2014-08-21 23:32 GMT+02:00 Axel Dörfler axeld@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: A switch to Linux would give us plenty of interesting features. Proper power management is only one of them, although I don't really think it would be all that hard to achieve for most hardware (on my Haswell based NAS, Haiku, booted from USB, only needs 1W more than Ubuntu 14.04 when idling, thanks to Pawel). ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Please fix VESA screen resizing (Axel Dörfler)

Sun, 2014-08-24 09:45
On 22.08.2014 14:55, Stephen Hite wrote: Whomever went into the screen resizing code and wound up 100% breaking the ability to resize a VESA screen in VirtualBox please not touch a further line of Haiku kernel code until you fix what has worked for over 10 years? Is there a bug report for this already? ...
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[haiku-development] Please fix VESA screen resizing (Stephen Hite)

Sun, 2014-08-24 09:45
Whomever went into the screen resizing code and wound up 100% breaking the ability to resize a VESA screen in VirtualBox please not touch a further line of Haiku kernel code until you fix what has worked for over 10 years? I'm sure it won't take even a tenth of the total amount of brain power which has been spent entertaining Mr. Lang's dubious desires. The citizens of Userland would be forever grateful. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Fredrik Holmqvist)

Sun, 2014-08-24 09:45
2014-08-21 23:32 GMT+02:00 Axel Dörfler axeld@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: A switch to Linux would give us plenty of interesting features. Proper power management is only one of them, although I don't really think it would be all that hard to achieve for most hardware (on my Haswell based NAS, Haiku, booted from USB, only needs 1W more than Ubuntu 14.04 when idling, thanks to Pawel). I think I can help you lower that :) In the cpu-idle GSoC the reason found that we don't save more power is the ticking of network at 1000Hz and Deskbar/Tracker doing some querying. Both of these wake the ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Sia Lang)

Sun, 2014-08-24 09:45
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 1:26 PM, pulkomandy pulkomandy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: Hi, The event is open to anyone, but you have to pay your entrance ticket (which includes the lunch). The website was not updated for this year yet but most of the information from the previous edition should still apply: ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (pulkomandy)

Sun, 2014-08-24 09:45
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 01:04:49PM +0200, Sia Lang wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 11:29 AM, LECOQ Vincent vincent.lecoq@xxxxxxxxx wrote: Hello everybody, Why not use a middleway proposal : for the R2, be able to load and use binary drivers of linux ? like as a ndsiwrapper was doing on linux for use wifi windows drivers as example. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Sia Lang)

Sun, 2014-08-24 09:45
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 11:29 AM, LECOQ Vincent vincent.lecoq@xxxxxxxxx wrote: Hello everybody, Why not use a middleway proposal : for the R2, be able to load and use binary drivers of linux ? like as a ndsiwrapper was doing on linux for use wifi windows drivers as example. The basic drivers API are not so far and a little wrapping can be usefull ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (LECOQ Vincent)

Sun, 2014-08-24 09:45
Hello everybody, Why not use a middleway proposal : for the R2, be able to load and use binary drivers of linux ? like as a ndsiwrapper was doing on linux for use wifi windows drivers as example. The basic drivers API are not so far and a little wrapping can be usefull for the missing/divergent functionnalities. And why not a source level compatibility for drivers. But its limited to the kernel drivers (so no Xorg of course,its an other ...
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