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[haiku-development] Re: Ethernet drivers question (François Revol)

Mon, 2014-07-28 17:45
On 21/07/2014 01:11, François Revol wrote: On 21/07/2014 00:19, François Revol wrote: On 20/07/2014 17:07, Axel Dörfler wrote: On 07/20/2014 05:20 AM, Thomas Mueller wrote: I pointed out that the Ethernet chip was supported in Haiku R1A4. I was able to web-browse with Web Positive. We have a compatibility layer for FreeBSD drivers -- we're able to adopt them pretty much without any changes. If the driver does work in Haiku R1alpha4, it could be that it has been ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Ethernet drivers question (François Revol)

Mon, 2014-07-28 13:45
On 21/07/2014 00:19, François Revol wrote: On 20/07/2014 17:07, Axel Dörfler wrote: On 07/20/2014 05:20 AM, Thomas Mueller wrote: I pointed out that the Ethernet chip was supported in Haiku R1A4. I was able to web-browse with Web Positive. We have a compatibility layer for FreeBSD drivers -- we're able to adopt them pretty much without any changes. If the driver does work in Haiku R1alpha4, it could be that it has been broken in FreeBSD at a later point (as that release is quite old already). ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Ethernet drivers question (François Revol)

Mon, 2014-07-28 13:45
On 20/07/2014 17:07, Axel Dörfler wrote: On 07/20/2014 05:20 AM, Thomas Mueller wrote: I pointed out that the Ethernet chip was supported in Haiku R1A4. I was able to web-browse with Web Positive. We have a compatibility layer for FreeBSD drivers -- we're able to adopt them pretty much without any changes. If the driver does work in Haiku R1alpha4, it could be that it has been broken in FreeBSD at a later point (as that release is quite old already). In that case, it's likely that we adopted the bug in the mean time. So ...
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[haiku-development] ARG_MAX detected as only 512 by configure scripts (François Revol)

Mon, 2014-07-28 13:45
Hi, while I was testing getconf which seems to be used by autoconf to avoid manually testing by trial and error for ARG_MAX, I noticed those tests only find 512 bytes without getconf (while we advertise 32kB as ARG_MAX, which is what getconf gives). Something seems to be very wrong there. Manually testing gives something around 127760 anyway. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Ethernet drivers question (Axel Dörfler)

Mon, 2014-07-28 13:45
On 07/20/2014 05:20 AM, Thomas Mueller wrote: I pointed out that the Ethernet chip was supported in Haiku R1A4. I was able to web-browse with Web Positive. We have a compatibility layer for FreeBSD drivers -- we're able to adopt them pretty much without any changes. If the driver does work in Haiku R1alpha4, it could be that it has been ...
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[haiku-development] Ethernet drivers question (Thomas Mueller)

Mon, 2014-07-28 11:45
Motherboard in question is MSI Z77 MPOWER, and Ethernet chip is Realtek 8111E, which comes in many variants, but presumably only one on a given motherboard model. (Free, Open and DragonFly)BSD recognize this Ethernet but fail to connect. Linux, NetBSD and Haiku R1Alpha4 are OK, so no complaint against Haiku on this issue. It's here: ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Ethernet drivers question (Urias McCullough)

Mon, 2014-07-28 09:45
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Thomas Mueller mueller6723@xxxxxxx wrote: I read on haiku-os.org website that Ethernet drivers were taken or adapted from FreeBSD (I assume not completely verbatim). My question is about the relation between Haiku and FreeBSD drivers for Ethernet adapters/chips. Motherboard in question is MSI Z77 MPOWER, and Ethernet chip is Realtek 8111E, which comes in many variants, but presumably only one on a given ...
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[haiku-development] Ethernet drivers question (Thomas Mueller)

Mon, 2014-07-28 09:45
I read on haiku-os.org website that Ethernet drivers were taken or adapted from FreeBSD (I assume not completely verbatim). My question is about the relation between Haiku and FreeBSD drivers for Ethernet adapters/chips. Motherboard in question is MSI Z77 MPOWER, and Ethernet chip is Realtek 8111E, which comes in many variants, but presumably only one on a given motherboard model. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: FFmpeg and licensing (pulkomandy)

Mon, 2014-07-28 09:45
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 09:07:04AM -0400, Augustin Cavalier wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 1:30 AM, pulkomandy pulkomandy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: Also, this is exactly why we have the media plugins architecture. A commercial app making use of the media kit does not directly link ffmpeg, and can be used with other plugins if needed. Thus, it is considered separate software and is not affected by the GPL. There are some extra tricks when packaging both such an app and the ffmpeg plugin on the same media (ie our release CD), but stippi already pointed the ...
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[haiku-development] Re: FFmpeg and licensing (Augustin Cavalier)

Mon, 2014-07-28 09:45
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 1:30 AM, pulkomandy pulkomandy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: Also, this is exactly why we have the media plugins architecture. A commercial app making use of the media kit does not directly link ffmpeg, and can be used with other plugins if needed. Thus, it is considered separate software and is not affected by the GPL. There are some extra tricks when packaging both such an app and the ffmpeg plugin on the same media (ie our release CD), but stippi already pointed the way to solve this: just move the ffmpeg plugin to a separate package so ...
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[haiku-development] Re: FFmpeg and licensing (Axel Dörfler)

Sat, 2014-07-26 22:45
On July 16, 2014 at 12:31 PM François Revol revol@xxxxxxx wrote: Well, in a perfect world, everything would be GPL so it wouldn't matter ;-) Hm, in a perfect world you wouldn't even need a license in the first place. The thought would never even have occurred to you, and the word wouldn't even exist :-) Bye,    Axel. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: FFmpeg and licensing (François Revol)

Sat, 2014-07-26 10:45
On 16/07/2014 09:07, Axel Dörfler wrote: On July 16, 2014 at 12:55 AM SMC.Collins smc.collins@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: You know what would make more sense, email the ffmpeg developers and ask them to reliscence to a BSD or MIT type liscence, this way ,this kind of stupidity can be avoided for all projects in the future. And while we're at it, we should also ask the two or so Linux developers to ...
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[haiku-development] Re: FFmpeg and licensing (Axel Dörfler)

Sat, 2014-07-26 08:45
On July 16, 2014 at 12:55 AM SMC.Collins smc.collins@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: You know what would make more sense, email the ffmpeg developers and ask them to reliscence to a BSD or MIT type liscence, this way ,this kind of stupidity can be avoided for all projects in the future. And while we're at it, we should also ask the two or so Linux developers to relicense their code to MIT, as it's really annoying that we can't include it in Haiku. Really, the sooner this stupidity ends the better. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Is Haiku on VirtualBox multi-CPU? (Thomas Mueller)

Sat, 2014-07-26 06:45
I was merely suggesting a Haiku performance problem on an emulated platform on a specific architecture. What's your point exactly? Bye, J=E9r=F4me Messages in this thread referred to difficulties with SATA for Haiku, so I was worried about not being able to boot Haiku installed on SATA hard drive. Tom ...
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[haiku-development] Re: FFmpeg and licensing (pulkomandy)

Sat, 2014-07-26 06:45
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 01:42:15AM +0200, François Revol wrote: On 16/07/2014 01:39, Augustin Cavalier wrote: On 7/15/2014 7:13 PM, François Revol wrote: Anyway what's wrong with GPL? Commercial projects can't use it and Haiku is trying to be commercial-project-friendly? You're just mixing up commercial with closed-source. It's totally possible to do business with GPL. It's just a bit more complex. :p ...
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[haiku-development] Re: FFmpeg and licensing (François Revol)

Fri, 2014-07-25 17:45
On 16/07/2014 01:39, Augustin Cavalier wrote: On 7/15/2014 7:13 PM, François Revol wrote: Anyway what's wrong with GPL? Commercial projects can't use it and Haiku is trying to be commercial-project-friendly? You're just mixing up commercial with closed-source. It's totally possible to do business with GPL. It's just a bit more complex. :p ...
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[haiku-development] Re: FFmpeg and licensing (Augustin Cavalier)

Fri, 2014-07-25 17:45
On 7/15/2014 7:13 PM, François Revol wrote: Anyway what's wrong with GPL? Commercial projects can't use it and Haiku is trying to be commercial-project-friendly? -Augustin ...
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[haiku-development] Re: FFmpeg and licensing (François Revol)

Fri, 2014-07-25 15:45
On 16/07/2014 01:08, Urias McCullough wrote: On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 3:55 PM, SMC.Collins smc.collins@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: You know what would make more sense, email the ffmpeg developers and ask them to reliscence to a BSD or MIT type liscence, this way ,this kind of stupidity can be avoided for all projects in the future. Sean ...
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[haiku-development] Re: FFmpeg and licensing (Urias McCullough)

Fri, 2014-07-25 13:45
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 3:55 PM, SMC.Collins smc.collins@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: You know what would make more sense, email the ffmpeg developers and ask them to reliscence to a BSD or MIT type liscence, this way ,this kind of stupidity can be avoided for all projects in the future. Sean Considering we are actually the smaller project (by user base, number of ...
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[haiku-development] Re: FFmpeg and licensing (SMC.Collins)

Fri, 2014-07-25 13:45
I was under the impression that ffmpeg itself *is* LGPL licenced, along with all the codecs that we have enabled - and only the GPL code is disabled Has something fundamentally changed? Cian ...
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