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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Sia Lang)

Thu, 2014-08-21 15:45
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Ryan Leavengood leavengood@xxxxxxxxx wrote: Hello Sia, I think you are being a bit unfair in criticizing the decision for Haiku to use it's own kernel all those years ago. Things have changed a lot to make your project a lot easier now, both from the Linux side and of course from the Haiku side. Plus hindsight is 20/20 and all that. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Ingo Weinhold)

Thu, 2014-08-21 15:45
On 18.08.2014 17:34, Sia Lang wrote: I understand that some people find it fun to write everything from scratch. I've done my share of hobbyist kernel work. But BeOS is dear to many people, and I know a few people who is really fed up with Haiku always being almost there. I see a way to fix that. By replacing the kernel and the app server? I don't think there are any ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Ryan Leavengood)

Thu, 2014-08-21 15:45
Hello Sia, I think you are being a bit unfair in criticizing the decision for Haiku to use it's own kernel all those years ago. Things have changed a lot to make your project a lot easier now, both from the Linux side and of course from the Haiku side. Plus hindsight is 20/20 and all that. With that said, I think your project is very worthwhile and I urge you to continue (which it sounds like you are anyway.) I think you have a ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Sia Lang)

Thu, 2014-08-21 15:45
There was no argument, I was just trying to be funny. And apparently failed. The humour was supposed to be in the fact that you of all people should know if you used the toolkit... never mind. I guess a simple typo can be hilarious when in the mood. I'm not. Do let me know if you have something interesting to say. Sia. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Stephan Aßmus)

Thu, 2014-08-21 15:45
Hi, Am 18.08.2014 18:24, schrieb Sia Lang: On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Stephan Aßmus superstippi@xxxxxx wrote: Am 18.08.2014 17:38, schrieb Sia Lang: On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Augustin Cavalier waddlesplash@xxxxxxxxx ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Sia Lang)

Thu, 2014-08-21 13:45
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Stephan Aßmus superstippi@xxxxxx wrote: Hi, Am 18.08.2014 17:38, schrieb Sia Lang: On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Augustin Cavalier waddlesplash@xxxxxxxxx wrote: ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Stephan Aßmus)

Thu, 2014-08-21 13:45
Hi, Am 18.08.2014 17:38, schrieb Sia Lang: On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Augustin Cavalier waddlesplash@xxxxxxxxx wrote: I'm willing to bet you wrote it on top of Qt or GTK (or maybe even ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Sia Lang)

Thu, 2014-08-21 13:45
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Stephan Aßmus superstippi@xxxxxx wrote: You have the benefit of hindsight. First of all, there were indeed some technical reasons -- ports, inode ids in entry_ref, ... there was more, but I am no kernel guy. And it was believed that having to maintain a patch set on top of the Linux kernel would be too inconvenient. There was the argument of being in full control of everything top to bottom. And the Linux source code itself is probably in a much better state today than it was in 2001. It is probably still ugly and cryptic in many places compared ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Sia Lang)

Thu, 2014-08-21 13:45
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 5:37 PM, pulkomandy pulkomandy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: I'm willing to bet you wrote it on top of Qt or GTK (or maybe even X11), no? You didn't start from scratch to do it the right way as we did. Why would one way be more right than the other? I see Haiku and BeAPI-on-Linux as two different projects with different goals, which can very well live side by side. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (pulkomandy)

Thu, 2014-08-21 13:45
Anyway, I'm not really rooting for Linux per se. I'm rooting for an existing kernel with great driver, toolchain and library support. There's a few options. We have good support for Raedon HD and Intel Extreme cards (modesetting only, but Alex is working on acceleration as time allows him to). Toolchain-wise we have GCC 4.8.3 with C++11 support. And library-wise we have Qt and quite a lot of other POSIX/Linux libraries in HaikuDepot. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Sia Lang)

Thu, 2014-08-21 13:45
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Augustin Cavalier waddlesplash@xxxxxxxxx wrote: I'm willing to bet you wrote it on top of Qt or GTK (or maybe even X11), no? You didn't start from scratch to do it the right way as we did. Starting from scratch isn't the right way. Building on top of Weyland is, so I did. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Sia Lang)

Thu, 2014-08-21 13:45
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Stephan Aßmus superstippi@xxxxxx wrote: Hm. It sounds like you are pragmatic. You just want your working BeOS clone. But I don't completely buy it. There must be a fun component for you as well. :-) Thanks for your insightful post, Stephan. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Augustin Cavalier)

Thu, 2014-08-21 13:45
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Sia Lang silverlanguage@xxxxxxxxx wrote: A direction involving an existing kernel and set of drivers so my GPUs and obscure devices can be used. You have not listed what devices those are that we don't support yet. File bugs and we'll work on it; in some cases this is as simple as adding a device ID to a driver configuration (say, half the time this is the case). ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Stephan Aßmus)

Thu, 2014-08-21 13:45
Hi Sia, Am 18.08.2014 15:03, schrieb Sia Lang: Back in 2007, in his goodbye letter, Phipps assessed that we're almost there. That's seven years ago, and I unfortunately think his assessment today would be about the same. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (pulkomandy)

Thu, 2014-08-21 13:45
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 04:32:16PM +0200, Sia Lang wrote: On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 3:41 PM, pulkomandy pulkomandy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: The main grief we have with Linux is that everything there seems to need manual tuning, whereas we go for a system that just works, out of the box. The result of this, on the Linux side, is a quite fragmented ecosystem with GNU/Linux distributions preconfigured for certain tasks, and some non-GNU usues of Linux for example in Android. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Sia Lang)

Thu, 2014-08-21 09:45
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Augustin Cavalier waddlesplash@xxxxxxxxx wrote: On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Sia Lang silverlanguage@xxxxxxxxx wrote: I absolutely agree that these guys are fantastic and do impressive work, although in a misguided direction in my opinion. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (James Leone)

Thu, 2014-08-21 09:45
Thank you for explanation. I knew about the system non writeable. On Aug 18, 2014 7:43 AM, Augustin Cavalier ajcsweb@xxxxxxxxx wrote: On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 10:30 AM, James Leone linuxcpa@xxxxxxxxx wrote: I hope to trade my Star Trek fonts (and a first round true type font to be named later) for hard links and a /usr directory so I'll get my dream operating system. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Augustin Cavalier)

Thu, 2014-08-21 09:45
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 10:30 AM, James Leone linuxcpa@xxxxxxxxx wrote: I hope to trade my Star Trek fonts (and a first round true type font to be named later) for hard links and a /usr directory so I'll get my dream operating system. You don't have to: you can install your Star Trek fonts already (although we don't have a GUI to do this quite yet) as well as most TTFs (we use Freetype to draw fonts IIRC). However, we'll never have a /usr directory, we have /system instead, which is much the equivalent but is not writeable. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Augustin Cavalier)

Thu, 2014-08-21 09:45
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 10:30 AM, James Leone linuxcpa@xxxxxxxxx wrote: I hope to trade my Star Trek fonts (and a first round true type font to be named later) for hard links and a /usr directory so I'll get my dream operating system. You don't have to: you can install your Star Trek fonts already (although we don't have a GUI to do this quite yet) as well as most TTFs (we use Freetype to draw fonts IIRC). However, we'll never have a /usr directory, we have /system instead, which is much the equivalent but is not writeable. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Augustin Cavalier)

Thu, 2014-08-21 09:45
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Sia Lang silverlanguage@xxxxxxxxx wrote: I absolutely agree that these guys are fantastic and do impressive work, although in a misguided direction in my opinion. What direction would that be? Have you been reading the commits regularly, like I have (for at least a year now?) I think that most of the commits go to either bugfixes or changes so the OS is more compatible with ported software (we have Qt now for instance). ...
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