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[haiku-development] Re: Duplicate headers? (Augustin Cavalier)

Sun, 2014-08-31 20:45
On Aug 29, 2014 11:48 AM, James Leone linuxcpa@xxxxxxxxx wrote: I noticed that some code that includes headers i.e. *.h wants to read the /boot/system/develop and .../develop/posix and .../develop/bsd directorories. Similarly, sys/*.h would read from both of these: ....posix/sys and .....bsd/sys. We have 9 duplicates amongst theze directories. How does the compiler know which one to pick? ...
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[haiku-development] Re: System Soundfont (Augustin Cavalier)

Sun, 2014-08-31 20:45
Dear Mr. Leone: Please quit hijacking discussions. Don't make us create a private devs-only ML. -Frustrated Developer ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Wayne Peter Corwin)

Sun, 2014-08-31 16:45
Friday, August 29, 2014 at 7:23 PM, Ari Haviv arielbhaviv@xxxxxxxxx said  You can't just hire someone, call him a 'leader' and expect that everyone will just listen to him when he says yes and no in a seemingly arbitrary fashion because it is the right thing to do. A leader has to lay out a vision that's compelling enough for everyone else to say Yeah, I have my pet issue but I'll put that aside because what this guy is saying is what I really want to see. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Ari Haviv)

Sun, 2014-08-31 14:45
On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Wayne Peter Corwin wayne.peter.corwin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: On Friday, August 29, 2014 at 8:45 AM, Humdinger humdingerb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: Hi there! On 29 August 2014 06:38, Ryan Leavengood leavengood@xxxxxxxxx wrote: Haiku needs a project manager but that isn't a fun job and tends to ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Wayne Peter Corwin)

Sun, 2014-08-31 12:45
On Friday, August 29, 2014 at 8:45 AM, Humdinger humdingerb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: Hi there! On 29 August 2014 06:38, Ryan Leavengood leavengood@xxxxxxxxx wrote: Haiku needs a project manager but that isn't a fun job and tends to cost quite a bit if we wanted to hire someone. [...] In any case, I think focused Haiku development comes from the bottom ...
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[haiku-development] Re: System Soundfont (James Leone)

Sun, 2014-08-31 12:45
François, What you have is an extraordinarily good system there. Commercial class. Good documentation. I imagine that hours of effort is behind this. The quality is where Haiku wants to end up. But right now, the requirements, to an individual on his own, amount to a swarm of bees. What we want is for the task to be a mere gnat. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Jigzat)

Sun, 2014-08-31 08:45
El 28/08/2014, a las 23:38, Ryan Leavengood leavengood@xxxxxxxxx escribió: I'll take responsibility for claiming R1 would be released in 2013 or whatever I said in that IEEE Spectrum article. I was being stupid/optimistic/unrealistic or whatever one wants to think. I have been there in software development. Soon means two very different things to clients and to developers. I’m not a regular poster although I have been following Haiku since the beginning and I don’t want to ignite ire or anything ...
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[haiku-development] Re: NetFS settings (Sean Healy)

Sun, 2014-08-31 06:45
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 00:08:47 -0700, Ingo Weinhold ingo_weinhold@xxxxxx wrote: On 29.08.2014 04:42, Sean Healy wrote: On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 19:28:03 -0700, Augustin Cavalier waddlesplash@xxxxxxxxx wrote: The correct solution is to fix the NetFS source code. ...
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[haiku-development] Packaging complexities [was Re: What's the status of Haiku?] (Stephan Aßmus)

Sun, 2014-08-31 06:45
Hi James, it is very honorable that you try to get your hands dirty! The truth is that porting and packaging needs to be done properly on any platform. Especially a package like Python which is potentially used by many, many people, has to be properly ported and packaged. I have packaged a desktop application for Linux. It was pretty hard to ...
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[haiku-development] Duplicate headers? (James Leone)

Sun, 2014-08-31 04:45
I noticed that some code that includes headers i.e. *.h wants to read the /boot/system/develop and .../develop/posix and .../develop/bsd directorories. Similarly, sys/*.h would read from both of these: ....posix/sys and .....bsd/sys. We have 9 duplicates amongst theze directories. How does the compiler know which one to pick? P.s. our zlib.h is misding 3 lines of code compared to Linux' same. Same ...
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[haiku-development] Re: AW: Re: What's the status of Haiku? (François Revol)

Sun, 2014-08-31 04:45
On 29/08/2014 17:08, James Leone wrote: I started working on figuring out what patches Ive used last night. Its true Windows doesn't have a /usr directory. I've just learned what an ifdef statement is. I gather you all know what that is. Again, just look at the recipe I wrote for xcb_proto: Works fine without /usr. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: AW: Re: What's the status of Haiku? (James Leone)

Sun, 2014-08-31 02:45
I started working on figuring out what patches Ive used last night. Its true Windows doesn't have a /usr directory. I've just learned what an ifdef statement is. I gather you all know what that is. The ratio of people that can pitch in to help in Windows vs Haiku is HUGE. Its a lot to ask a small group to do the work of thousands of people. For a Haiku developer the /usr issue has the scale of a swarm of bees. So many users in Windows a /usr directory is just a gnat. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: AW: What's the status of Haiku? (Wayne Peter Corwin)

Sun, 2014-08-31 00:45
While it all takes longer than wanted, and originally anticipated, I'm confident that we'll reach that goal eventually. Eventually doesn't have any value though. But good luck and I'm hoping for a better state of affairs next time I read an almost-ready article :) Best wishes, ...
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[haiku-development] Re: AW: Re: What's the status of Haiku? (François Revol)

Sat, 2014-08-30 22:45
I really didn't read the whole thread (instead I fixed the pc_serial driver to use the current tty module, just sayin...), but... The second surprise is that package development has appeared to have declined since it was put in place. It took me some time to get interested in packaging, but then I had a packaging rush recently, because I wanted many things available on my other machines. Of course it did slow down work on other sides but it's still useful. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: AW: Re: What's the status of Haiku? (pulkomandy)

Sat, 2014-08-30 20:45
The second surprise is that package development has appeared to have declined since it was put in place. That's not what I see here. The new package management system (and the more strict HaikuPorter) allowed us to identify a lot of problems with our existing packages, and we have spent some time running through them and fixing the issues. This is indeed time not spent working on new packages, but it's a good thing in the long term. While it needs a bit more developer effort to get packages right, it needs much less efforts for users to install the packages. One can't go without the ...
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[haiku-development] Re: AW: Re: What's the status of Haiku? (James Leone)

Sat, 2014-08-30 20:45
On Aug 29, 2014 12:19 AM, Axel Dörfler axeld@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: Ryan wrote: I think if there is to be any hope, there needs to be some serious focus. No more going off on wild tangents like the package management. An amazing amount of work (and quite a bit of money) went into that and if we are really honest it probably was not as important as it was made out to ...
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[haiku-development] Re: NetFS settings (pulkomandy)

Sat, 2014-08-30 20:45
I suppose ideally activating the package should show a Deskbar notification that something has to be configured, with a link that opens the respective GUI preflet. I don't know, if our notifications API supports that. It does. Use notify --onClickApp from a script to run an app by signature. BNotification has a similar API. Arguments can be passed, and there are options to open a file with the default app or a specific one, too. See notify --help. -- ...
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[haiku-development] AW: Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Axel Dörfler)

Sat, 2014-08-30 20:45
Ryan wrote: I think if there is to be any hope, there needs to be some serious focus. No more going off on wild tangents like the package management. An amazing amount of work (and quite a bit of money) went into that and if we are really honest it probably was not as important as it was made out to be. I completely understand the desire to make it, but if a project manager was trying to ship a product to make money, would they have worked on that or maybe put it off for later? We actually discussed this beforehand, you know. We even had a poll about it, ...
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[haiku-development] Re: NetFS settings (Ingo Weinhold)

Sat, 2014-08-30 18:45
On 29.08.2014 04:42, Sean Healy wrote: On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 19:28:03 -0700, Augustin Cavalier waddlesplash@xxxxxxxxx wrote: The correct solution is to fix the NetFS source code. Ah, but the problem is not in the NetFS code. It is in cant/remember/the/real/path/driver_settings.cpp, and a change there will affect many other packages. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Humdinger)

Sat, 2014-08-30 16:45
Hi there! On 29 August 2014 06:38, Ryan Leavengood leavengood@xxxxxxxxx wrote: Haiku needs a project manager but that isn't a fun job and tends to cost quite a bit if we wanted to hire someone. I doubt that's what Haiku needs, at least not a manager in the usual sense. Haiku has too few active developers. Why would those few do what they are told by someone? No, if anything we need someone who is able to motivate old and new ...
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