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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Sia Lang)

Sat, 2014-08-23 16:45
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Paweł Dziepak pdziepak@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: If it was at least some kind of modern, interesting kernel... then I could be persuaded to join the train, but with an archaic (design-wise) kernel like Linux... it really isn't convincing to me. I once had the 'joy' of working myself deep into a few parts of the Linux kernel sources, and what I saw was certainly not pretty. Working inside the Haiku kernel was a great experience in comparison! ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Paweł Dziepak)

Sat, 2014-08-23 16:45
2014-08-21 18:39 GMT+02:00 Julian Harnath julian.harnath@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: Hello all, Ingo Weinhold ingo_weinhold@xxxxxx schrieb: Unless I miss someone, of the Haiku developers (counting committers only) who posted in this thread no one strictly opposed the idea of switching to another kernel and most even seem to consider this an interesting option. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Julian Harnath)

Sat, 2014-08-23 16:45
Hello all, Ingo Weinhold ingo_weinhold@xxxxxx schrieb: Unless I miss someone, of the Haiku developers (counting committers only) who posted in this thread no one strictly opposed the idea of switching to another kernel and most even seem to consider this an interesting option. To be honest, I'm a bit disheartened by how many core contributors are ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Sia Lang)

Sat, 2014-08-23 06:45
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Stephan Aßmus superstippi@xxxxxx wrote: Now I am really curious to see your code. Until I see it, I have to assume you are completely underestimating the work ahead of you. Or maybe we have a very different idea of decent shape. I would love to understand/see your definition. Heh, lame insult attempts doesn't work on me. I'm putting the code out ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Stephan Aßmus)

Fri, 2014-08-22 19:45
Hi Sia, Am 20.08.2014 18:26, schrieb Sia Lang: what I'm saying is that with only two months of sporadic work on a BeAPI/Linux hybrid, things are looking rather promising. Initially, you said app, interface and networking kits already in ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Ingo Weinhold)

Fri, 2014-08-22 17:45
On 21.08.2014 17:44, James Leone wrote: In 2007 the os was an amazing feat. Haiku's developrs are like Michael Jordan or Wilt Chamberlan. Hall of famers I say. But we aren't playing basketball anymore. Were playing baseball. Michael Jordan did pretty good in baseball but its a different game so to speak. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (James Leone)

Fri, 2014-08-22 17:45
In 2007 the os was an amazing feat. Haiku's developrs are like Michael Jordan or Wilt Chamberlan. Hall of famers I say. But we aren't playing basketball anymore. Were playing baseball. Michael Jordan did pretty good in baseball but its a different game so to speak. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (James Leone)

Fri, 2014-08-22 17:45
Real deal is the guys have tried too hqrd... do too many things to make things good that nothing really works. Its like they are trying to make the fastest racecar that has the most fuel efficient engine ever. On Aug 21, 2014 8:11 AM, Alexander von Gluck IV kallisti5@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: On , Paweł Dziepak wrote: 2014-08-21 15:15 GMT+02:00 Alexander von Gluck IV ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Alexander von Gluck IV)

Fri, 2014-08-22 17:45
On , Paweł Dziepak wrote: 2014-08-21 15:15 GMT+02:00 Alexander von Gluck IV kallisti5@xxxxxxxxxxx: On , Ingo Weinhold wrote: On 20.08.2014 18:26, Sia Lang wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Ryan Leavengood ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (James Leone)

Fri, 2014-08-22 17:45
Whatever. Can you please get it in your head that there was and is currently no plan that R2 will drop binary compatibility? It has been mentioned to you on several occasions before. ;-) The primary architecture of Haiku can be switched. Most likely after R1. That does *not* mean we have to drop binary compatibility as well, and why would we? We can build GCC2 compatibility system libs for as long as we think it makes sense. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (pulkomandy)

Fri, 2014-08-22 17:45
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 04:25:44PM +0200, Stephan Aßmus wrote: Am 21.08.2014 15:40, schrieb pulkomandy: Not sure if we want to encourage such a thing... our developer pool is small enough as it is lately. Definitely for others working on something Linux based in a friendly compitition though. Food for thought, I don't think the linux kernel will build under gcc2 :-) And that's why no one suggested we swith NOW for R1. As R2 will drop binary compat, it might be a good time to do the switch, after R1 is ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Paweł Dziepak)

Fri, 2014-08-22 17:45
2014-08-21 15:15 GMT+02:00 Alexander von Gluck IV kallisti5@xxxxxxxxxxx: On , Ingo Weinhold wrote: On 20.08.2014 18:26, Sia Lang wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Ryan Leavengood leavengood@xxxxxxxxx wrote: It is a lot to ask the Haiku community to abandon our current approach ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Sia Lang)

Fri, 2014-08-22 17:45
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Alexander von Gluck IV kallisti5@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: Not sure if we want to encourage such a thing... our developer pool is small enough as it is lately. Definitely for others working on something Linux based in a friendly compitition though. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Stephan Aßmus)

Fri, 2014-08-22 17:45
Am 21.08.2014 15:40, schrieb pulkomandy: Not sure if we want to encourage such a thing... our developer pool is small enough as it is lately. Definitely for others working on something Linux based in a friendly compitition though. Food for thought, I don't think the linux kernel will build under gcc2 :-) ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Sia Lang)

Fri, 2014-08-22 17:45
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Alexander von Gluck IV kallisti5@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: Food for thought, I don't think the linux kernel will build under gcc2 :-) Which is irrelevant. Do drive that point home, I'm currently building BeLinux on clang (it requires a patched kernel, but of course gcc can be used if you're so inclined) Does this preclude R1 userland binary compat? ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Ingo Weinhold)

Fri, 2014-08-22 15:45
On 21.08.2014 15:38, Alexander von Gluck IV wrote: On , Stephan Aßmus wrote: Maybe you are missing the point. The talk is about encouraging a *parallel* project that is likely going to take years to become usable. And the question is whether we want to shut any doors towards the idea of Haiku ever switching to the Linux kernel. We are not talking about dropping what we do right now and focussing all efforts ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (pulkomandy)

Fri, 2014-08-22 15:45
Not sure if we want to encourage such a thing... our developer pool is small enough as it is lately. Definitely for others working on something Linux based in a friendly compitition though. Food for thought, I don't think the linux kernel will build under gcc2 :-) And that's why no one suggested we swith NOW for R1. As R2 will drop binary compat, it might be a good time to do the switch, after R1 is released. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Alexander von Gluck IV)

Fri, 2014-08-22 15:45
On , Stephan Aßmus wrote: Am 21.08.2014 um 15:15 schrieb Alexander von Gluck IV kallisti5@xxxxxxxxxxx: On , Ingo Weinhold wrote: On 20.08.2014 18:26, Sia Lang wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Ryan Leavengood leavengood@xxxxxxxxx ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Stephan Aßmus)

Fri, 2014-08-22 15:45
Am 21.08.2014 um 15:15 schrieb Alexander von Gluck IV kallisti5@xxxxxxxxxxx: On , Ingo Weinhold wrote: On 20.08.2014 18:26, Sia Lang wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Ryan Leavengood leavengood@xxxxxxxxx wrote: It is a lot to ask the Haiku community to abandon our current approach for what sounds like a prototype. Totally agree, I'm not asking anyone to jump ship and join me. I am however asking the Haiku community to consider if the kernel choice ...
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[haiku-development] Re: What's the status of Haiku? (Stephan Aßmus)

Fri, 2014-08-22 15:45
Am 21.08.2014 um 14:50 schrieb Ingo Weinhold ingo_weinhold@xxxxxx: On 21.08.2014 14:32, Sia Lang wrote: On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Paweł Dziepak pdziepak@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: Besides, it is not really important whether that decision was right or wrong, is it? If the decision turned out to be wrong (if we want the project to ...
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