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[haiku-development] Re: PM Mount Points (Simon Taylor)

Fri, 2015-02-20 10:45
+ It works like this now (Me) There wasn't any stable release yet, so this isn't a valid argument. It’s a pro of keeping the status quo as any change would require developer time. It’s perfectly valid. - Adds hurdles for users migrating from A4/BeOS (any hardcoded paths in user ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku Userland on Non-Haiku Kernel (Stephan)

Fri, 2015-02-20 10:45
Hi Thank you very much. I downloaded cosmoe and - after making some changes to the code - could compile it on NetBSD 6.0 amd64. Worst problem was the absence of semtimedop(). The appserver works already in SDL mode, but registrar is unable to start: appserver: ======================== initialize_before() ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Ingo Weinhold)

Fri, 2015-02-20 10:45
On 02/18/2015 10:39 AM, Stephan Aßmus wrote: Am 18.02.2015 um 09:32 schrieb Adrien Destugues: Ok, there is a need for an user-specific config/packages directory, but is there a need for a completely separate package mount point in config? Or could the user packages be visible in /system for that user? This way an user could override parts of the system with its own ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Ingo Weinhold)

Fri, 2015-02-20 10:45
On 02/17/2015 11:33 PM, John Scipione wrote: Do you think that the issues with package management discussed in this thread are serious enough to warrant bringing Ingo and/or Oliver back for another round of Haiku, Inc. sponsored revisions (assuming they were willing to take up the mantle) before Beta1? That would most likely be the best way to get these changes made since nobody else has as much experience and understanding of package management. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Stephan Aßmus)

Fri, 2015-02-20 08:45
Hi, Am 18.02.2015 um 09:32 schrieb Adrien Destugues: Ok, there is a need for an user-specific config/packages directory, but is there a need for a completely separate package mount point in config? Or could the user packages be visible in /system for that user? This way an user could override parts of the system with its own ...
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[haiku-development] Re: PM Mount Points (Adrien Destugues)

Fri, 2015-02-20 08:45
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 08:53:36AM +0000, Simon Taylor wrote: Hi all, Yet another attempt to change the subject to something less troll-like :) The discussion is now down to where to place the packagefs mount points. I’ve attempted to fairly summarize the pros and cons of the competing options, along with a name of someone making the argument (non-exhaustive and from memory): ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Ingo Weinhold)

Fri, 2015-02-20 08:45
On 02/17/2015 06:09 PM, Axel Dörfler wrote: Am 17/02/2015 um 17:34 schrieb Ingo Weinhold: The main argument for having a ~/config/non-packaged instead of a ~/config/packaged is that almost all software people use will be packaged. Therefore it is just consequent to keep the paths of the majority of installed software short and convenient. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Thomas Mueller)

Thu, 2015-02-19 22:45
2015-02-17 16:49 GMT+01:00 Jonathan Beatty easyegoism@xxxxxxxxx: Absurd argument. I'm not a developer of Linux, although I use it all the time, and I put scripts and binaries wherever I please quite frequently. Kacpeer Kasper responded: Absurd as well. By non-developers Augustin meant people who do not develop SOFTWARE, not just Haiku. If you do that, you're either software developer or power user, and both in my opinion do not fit the definition of end user we are talking about here. ...
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[haiku-development] PM Mount Points (Simon Taylor)

Thu, 2015-02-19 22:45
Hi all, Yet another attempt to change the subject to something less troll-like :) The discussion is now down to where to place the packagefs mount points. I’ve attempted to fairly summarize the pros and cons of the competing options, along with a name of someone making the argument (non-exhaustive and from memory): Directly in ~/config and /system (as ~/config/bin, ~/config/include, /system/bin, etc): ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Adrien Destugues)

Thu, 2015-02-19 20:45
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 09:14:53AM +0100, Stephan Aßmus wrote: Hi, Am 18.02.2015 um 08:08 schrieb Adrien Destugues: I now have a question: is there really an use for home/config being packaged? From my personal experience I have found that it is more a source of confusion, for example when I have an old package installed there and keep wondering why the fixes I try to install in system don't seem to work. I didn't end up using it much, and put most of my packages in system. The rollback from the boot menu is a good enough safety ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Stephan Aßmus)

Thu, 2015-02-19 18:45
Hi, Am 18.02.2015 um 08:08 schrieb Adrien Destugues: I now have a question: is there really an use for home/config being packaged? From my personal experience I have found that it is more a source of confusion, for example when I have an old package installed there and keep wondering why the fixes I try to install in system don't seem to work. I didn't end up using it much, and put most of my packages ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku Userland on Non-Haiku Kernel (Adrien Destugues)

Thu, 2015-02-19 18:45
On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 08:44:00AM +0100, Stephan wrote: Hi folks I´m referring to this discussion: I´m interested in bringing a GUI to NetBSD and I think that Haiku´s appserver and UI toolkit is a good base. I don´t need to mention the mess of X and 100 different crazy toolkits and dektop environments ...
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[haiku-development] Haiku Userland on Non-Haiku Kernel (Stephan)

Thu, 2015-02-19 18:45
Hi folks I´m referring to this discussion: I´m interested in bringing a GUI to NetBSD and I think that Haiku´s appserver and UI toolkit is a good base. I don´t need to mention the mess of X and 100 different crazy toolkits and dektop environments here. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Adrien Destugues)

Thu, 2015-02-19 18:45
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 05:33:04PM -0500, John Scipione wrote: Do you think that the issues with package management discussed in this thread are serious enough to warrant bringing Ingo and/or Oliver back for another round of Haiku, Inc. sponsored revisions (assuming they were willing to take up the mantle) before Beta1? That would most likely be the best way to get these changes made since nobody else has as much experience and understanding of package management. In this thread there (finally!) was some discussion about what the problem actually is: sub-optimal choice of directory names and ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Please add Deja Vu to the bootstrap image (John Scipione)

Thu, 2015-02-19 18:45
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:46 PM, Urias McCullough umccullough@xxxxxxxxx wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 7:36 PM, John Scipione jscipione@xxxxxxxxx wrote: hmmm, weird, I just built a fresh vmware image and I didn't get the font... is there a different build profile that is used when building vmware images? Nope, as long as you use bootstrap-vmware it should pick up anything defined by bootstrap-* as well. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Please add Deja Vu to the bootstrap image (Urias McCullough)

Thu, 2015-02-19 16:45
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 7:36 PM, John Scipione jscipione@xxxxxxxxx wrote: hmmm, weird, I just built a fresh vmware image and I didn't get the font... is there a different build profile that is used when building vmware images? Nope, as long as you use bootstrap-vmware it should pick up anything defined by bootstrap-* as well. Are you sure adding it to UserBuildConfig actually fixes it? My guess is you may have something clogging up your build and you need to clean ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Please add Deja Vu to the bootstrap image (John Scipione)

Thu, 2015-02-19 16:45
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 10:31 PM, Urias McCullough umccullough@xxxxxxxxx wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 7:09 PM, John Scipione jscipione@xxxxxxxxx wrote: Can we please add the default Deja Vu font to the bootstrap image. I just got burned once again by missing this font. Terminal doesn’t work, and the rest of the system does not look right without the font. Normally I install it in my UserBuildConfig, but, I just setup a new box and forgot to do that, I really don’t think it should be necessary. But it's there already? ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Please add Deja Vu to the bootstrap image (Urias McCullough)

Thu, 2015-02-19 16:45
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 7:09 PM, John Scipione jscipione@xxxxxxxxx wrote: Can we please add the default Deja Vu font to the bootstrap image. I just got burned once again by missing this font. Terminal doesn’t work, and the rest of the system does not look right without the font. Normally I install it in my UserBuildConfig, but, I just setup a new box and forgot to do that, I really don’t think it should be necessary. But it's there already? ...
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[haiku-development] Please add Deja Vu to the bootstrap image (John Scipione)

Thu, 2015-02-19 16:45
Can we please add the default Deja Vu font to the bootstrap image. I just got burned once again by missing this font. Terminal doesn’t work, and the rest of the system does not look right without the font. Normally I install it in my UserBuildConfig, but, I just setup a new box and forgot to do that, I really don’t think it should be necessary. ...
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[haiku-development] Re: Haiku, Inc. in Contempt of Its Community (Augustin Cavalier)

Thu, 2015-02-19 14:45
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Pete Goodeve pete.goodeve@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: Augustin, I'm getting pretty tired of this. I know you're only 16 or so, and you want to stake your place in the hierarchy, but you're just coming over (to my perception anyway) as aggressive and rude. I've been using BeOS/Haiku since before you were born, so I don't appreciate it. ...
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